Yeah, you're right, I kick started my cycle with Dbol. It's still not uncommon for people to gain 30lbs on Testosterone Enanthate alone. If you want to run osterine, go for it. Nobody's stopping you. All I'm trying to say is steroids will always be the better/more efficient choice. they haven't been around for this long for no reason. If you're going to do something, why not do it right? If you do your research, there really isn't too much danger involved with steroids. As for keeping things "simple". I have 2 injections per week. I have an AI on hand that I take every other day or so at a small dose even though I haven't yet experienced any estrogen sides. my PCT is Nolva. super simple.